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This thread is dedicated to researching, discussing, exploring, and laughing at, that element of the far-right which we have come to term "esoteric hitlerist" but more broadly a thread for documenting the extreme right.
Over the years, this thread has also expanded to collect general news on the alarmingly rampant child abuse throughout neo-nazi groups, given its core link to modern esoteric hitlerism (such as O9A and its successors).

To sum up, this entire strand of thought is more or less an intelligence operation carried out mostly by pedophiles, with a strong satanic/esoteric influence. On top of this, there are several interesting connections to these operations and operatives and Zionism.

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>>302
Yeah, if it's on-topic then go for it.
Ok nice.
I'm a nazi. No, not the embarrassing glowing type, not the BS O9A type either. These are crooks and for what they did or do to children they deserve the rope, because that's exactly how these lunatics would have been treated in NS Germany.
I condone you for the work, rooting out the rats and impostors.
Real (and thus fringe) Esoteric Hitlerism is separate from this. There's seldom any true organization truly devoted to pro-NS propaganda or literature with a more esoteric bent. In fact, the organizations you point at are pseudo-NS ones that add their own stew of religious synthetic ideas. As a matter of fact I take every single one of those organizations with a huge grain of salt, especially when they are very visible and noisy.
However, to play devil's advocate here for a moment, it should be known that the US government isn't shy of loading up false charges and Federal agents aren't shy of perjury in courts either. Considering that the USA are the land of pestilence and lies, that the government, their agencies, the politicians, judges and journalists lie 24/7, I always approach with cautions claims made against White Nationalists. This is not to mean that there aren't hypocrites and liars within our ranks, far from it, but I know that this vile system I hate will not hesitate to lie to get our people indicted. For example, the charge of pedophilia. Huge pedophile networks that have judges on their side will not think twice about projecting their own ills onto people who denounce them if they smell an opportunity at smearing them. And this could happen to you too.

>>54
>CVLT 764
Literally who. Likely nothing more than a sect with men surrounding themselves with a borrowed aura of political prestige and ancient mystery to get access to easy white women. It's often that the cops or the feds have files on these crackheads. Some of them exploit the edginess and shady aspect of supposed affiliations to National Socialism, but if the big taboo was some other type of political ideology, you'd find those social recluses wearing whole different clothes. They do it for power and sometimes for snitching too.


>>55
>There are no shortage of Western propaganda proclaiming that genocidal communist regimes surpassed even the Nazis, from Stalin to Mao to Pol Pot, not to mention the wild claims like baby boiling.
It wouldn't be hard, as the "Nazis" didn't exterminate 6 miyyon jews, that jewish propaganda used to obtain whatever they want through the goyim's guilt, including having free reign to displace or genocide Palestinians, and the other deaths were casualties of war like in any war, a war the Germans would have gladly avoided if possible. Meanwhile, even the low end numbers for Communist true atrocities against populations still reach high.
>And yet, it seems, the general consensus just doesn't ascribe the same horrific terror to the hammer and sickle that it does to the swastika, with these sadists (thankfully) not caring to exploit it.
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Enjoy, and try not to seethe too much while replying.
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>>304
Glad you put in effort. Naturally there are a lot of driveby shitposters.
As you and others mentioned, the thread mostly isn't about Esoteric Fascism like Evola, it's mostly a misnomer that stuck around as this general thread changed topic over the years.

>In fact, the organizations you point at are pseudo-NS ones [...]. As a matter of fact I take every single one of those organizations with a huge grain of salt, especially when they are very visible and noisy.
This dynamic is familiar to the socialist movement - the most noisy groups put all their issues on display, and it's easy for 'leftcoms' to call each one of them "not real communism™". One notorious publication (WSWS) seems like they have to call another organization "pseudo-left" once per article.
As you've discussed, Nazism especially has a modern cultural reputation for being aggressive and offensive (you mention taboo, and that's also part of it, but not the whole story - Stalin and Mao have mainstream reputations as mass killing autocratic dictators, and Mussolini as a fascist, but Nazism remains the edgy ideology because of its focus on racialism and other bigotry). And as a result, the ideology, or even just its symbolism and imagery, attract people who really have no interest in NS's proclaimed values. I don't honestly believe the vast majority of the O9A-types are fascist or Nazi in any meaningful way, they wouldn't have a clue about the 25-point Plan or the Beer Hall Putsch. However, I also don't think it's fair to completely disconnect these edgelords either, because there are mechanical reasons why neo-Nazism consistently attracts those kinds of people, despite them obviously contradicting the proclaimed values of NS. So much that outside of online niches like 8ch /fascist/, it's hard to find Nazis who aren't either the embarrassing glowing type, or just /pol/ morons who think NS is just ultraracism because memes and hegemony told them so.
That said, the taboo aspect, and the association of Nazism with power, have to be an important part of it. Otherwise these crooks and deviants would theoretically gravitate more towards US Libertarianism, which focuses on individual freedoms without social restriction. It's the ideology of choice for the already-powerful elite.

I do have to push back on the point "because that's exactly how these lunatics would have been treated in NS Germany" - because from an ideological perspective, yes, they would be getting sent to camp with a pink or black badge. I have no doubt you would expect the same to be done. However, there are also blatant contradictions like Oskar Dirlewanger who was able to command within the Waffen-SS. It becomes clear the deeper one digs that fascism in general, but particularly NS, does not mind contradicting itself, as if there's a worldview that there's no reward for being ideologically consistent. This perspective continues to the present day, and I'm torn as to whether or not these modern glowing groups are really deviations of Nazism, or simply that it was always hypocritical and willing to compromise on ideals.

>It wouldn't be hard, as the [...]
If you're interested in learning more about details of the Zionist exploitation of the Holocaust propaganda, I recommend The Holocaust Industry, PDF at >>>/praxis/36 .
But when we're talking about propaganda inflating numbers, oh you don't know how easy your side has it. The mainstream claim you get charged with is the 6 million jews (regretfully most people forget all the other targets of Nazi extermination). The claim communists are charged with is 100 million deaths, which comes from the Black Book of Communism, a book which most of the book's own contributors disavowed because that 100 million count included the killing of millions of German soldiers invading the USSR, the Holomodor (a famine compounded by anti-communist large landowners burning food) and counts of people who weren't even born but the author thought should have been born!
And on that point,
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>>306
>(you mention taboo, and that's also part of it, but not the whole story - Stalin and Mao have mainstream reputations as mass killing autocratic dictators, and Mussolini as a fascist, but Nazism remains the edgy ideology because of its focus on racialism and other bigotry).
Or more importantly, of its focus on jews and the old racial war, elevated to a metaphysical level. Stalin is tolerated because if anyone were to dig deep enough, he would see an Asiatic man surrounded by jews, a good bunch he distrusted, but they got the better part of him in the end. He was the good goy who did the dirty work, cucked his own people (he wasn't ethnically white-Russian and sided with jews, so that makes him a traitor) and abandonned, nay, betrayed the international communist ideal for some more lowkey and old fashioned cultural imperialism. An interesting figure certainly, and one I am certainly bound to dislike very much too.
>However, I also don't think it's fair to completely disconnect these edgelords either, because there are mechanical reasons why neo-Nazism consistently attracts those kinds of people, despite them obviously contradicting the proclaimed values of NS.
The necessary obscurity imposed onto anything nazi related acts as an alluring umbrella for pseudo-social members. It's often very superficial too and done for the kicks. It's the most forbidden thing on Earth, so it's very exciting to pretend being part of this group as if it were a matter of wearing a shirt saying "look yo ima dark superedgy and say all the nastiest shit that's outlawed." Add the mysticism enmeshed with totenkopf-runic virile imagery that rebounds between medieval armor and futuristic Jin-Roh fictional regalia and you've got some addictive crack right there. Good for memes at best today.
>However, there are also blatant contradictions like Oskar Dirlewanger who was able to command within the Waffen-SS.
I guess that his martial efficiency compensated for the unsavory side of his character, assuming anything that's said about him is true. If I were to believe all the nonsense said about Hitler...
>It becomes clear the deeper one digs that fascism in general, but particularly NS, does not mind contradicting itself, as if there's a worldview that there's no reward for being ideologically consistent.
I think you might have over-focused on one case in opposition to the very high standards the SS were required to adhere to, but there's idealized perfection and there's praxis.
>But when we're talking about propaganda inflating numbers, oh you don't know how easy your side has it. The mainstream claim you get charged with is the 6 million jews (regretfully most people forget all the other targets of Nazi extermination).
The jews overshadow the others. I don't have pity for the others though.
I don't take Solzhenitsyn's numbers at face value, I cannot take them seriously. When it comes to Holodomor, knowing the real numbers is a murky affair but a few millions seems safe, with ten being the absolute extreme end of it. I don't think it was less than that, and even hundreds of thousands would already be a lot. The reasons behind it were complicated and probably why the Ukrainians themselves might not have dug into it too much and I read about the cumulative effects, including, with much irony, a scorched earth doctrine used against Soviet Russia. I also read about the relativing of the gulags. One way or another, real and open discussions about these based on facts, on science, will be preferable to any form of hearsay, which is the current yardstick used by jews as far as their chimney tales are concerned.
>is an odd position to take given the Lebensraum philosophy of the NSDAP and the ideological position of the party on the Slavs prior to launching Operation Barbarossa. The party was irredentist and expansionist, and had an openly militaristic attitude towards achieving these goals.
Hitler definitely wanted to avoid the war with Western Europe, and at some point tried avoiding going to fists with Poland. His opinion on Slavs never was very high (see his views of them in Vienna) and their overall failure to stand up against communism was to him a telling sign of weakness. He had more respect for Poland because of the Prussian influence. I don't know if you're aware of it but it's an old claim within our ranks that the Slavs are the niggers of the White race. It's often thrown provocatively and remains overall harsh. Take it as a litmus test to see if you're worthy of being part of the empire or deserve to be kicked out to make room for the better people. Perhaps the Asian invasions had something to do with this and how someone could be more or less appreciative of the Slavs. Last but not least, they proved to be so weak that very little of their pre-Christian faith is known. Meanwhile the inner German commandment was definitely reviving the ancient North European legacy. Go figure, but nature will always agree with might is right, no matter how cruel it is, as we're seeing in the Middle East right now. It does not mean you should not help the weak, but within limits and not making it a habit to the point of being blind about the inferiority of a given group.
>The NSN are literally an autist-grooming group all the way up to their leader, who brags about targeting autistic fifteen year olds for recruitment, and the group has been infiltrated by journalists let alone feds, so yeah it's possible.
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By the very nature of being an active settler colonial  settlement a lot of Israelis have dual citizenship with other countries and loads of them enthusiastically went back to Israel to do genocide, for example, here in france over 4000 french-Israelis went to be active participants in the IOF post 7 and of course, our judicial system isn't doing shit about it. 

So I was thinking to take inspiration from the /eses/ find out who went over there l, and who fled back. The more we can find out, the more we can expose them for the genocidal freaks they are.

Would there be any interest in this? I'm fine with cloning https://codeberg.org/disco/esohit/ and modifying it accordingly.
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>>212 (OP) 
I wouldn't be able to do much new investigation work because I'm stretched thin with other projects, but I'd be happy to help with any archiving.
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>>213
I may be a bit taking in too much, I'm trying to think of good ways to find them. Maybe some luck with finding semi-known figures, those already known to have been there and posting about their warcrimes? Then one could just follow the content pipelines from there.
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>>215
>Then one could just follow the content pipelines from there.
Yeah, I would guess this kind of thing can have a network effect, where finding one or two will lead you to their friends and their friends' friends.
I'm gonna go with "Pharisees still B pharisees." ...and some Jewish peoples kids regardless of personal beliefs listen to them.
>>212 (OP) 
check out the Hind Rijab foundation, they are already doing this

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ITT request and create basic agitprop. This can be image edits, simple infographs, draw requests, memes, whatever.

Requesters, remember that this is volunteer work and artists will make what they feel like making. You are not owed labour. You will have more chance of a request being fulfilled if you provide useful references!

Consider saving deliveries to Leftybooru https://lefty.pictures) with tags for preservation and easy searching.
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Quick and easy Tesla meme
>>175
Cool vid, and it's definitely true. Not all socialists are loud and proud,and you definitely won't see plenty of them if you aren't in certain circles, like the union movement.
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>>243
for sure. the org and ptddtot threads already have a few examples of me finding people in odd places.
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I've talked to two different people this year who believed revolution would be a bad approach because many people will probably die in the process, as with historical examples.

I'd like a trolley problem image which illustrates, the current system is killing thousands of people each month, a revolution will stop killing those people but a whole lot of other people will die immediately. Which is the better choice?
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I remember one post in particular where an anon said they were an ancap and started reading the Communist Manifesto so they could better dunk on commies and realized Marx was actually right about most of it.

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ITT: we discuss the creation of a nukechan zine. Since the death of New Multitudes, there's been a need for a new publication to propagate an independent and radical perspective. /praxis/ is the perfect home for this project.

Points of order:
- Name suggestions: What should the zine be called?
- Editorial direction: What is the mission of the zine, and what, if anything, should be the primary focus of the zine?
- General interest: Do you write or do graphic design? Let us know if you're interested in contributing.
- Distribution: where will the zine be available? how will people find out about it? how will they find out when a new issue is published?
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>>135
Oh great, now I'm going down a [Western article] rabbit hole on China's wages and cost of living:
>Each province, municipality, or region sets its own minimum wage in accordance with its own local conditions. According to the country's Employment Promotion Plan, minimum wages are supposed to increase in accordance with local living standards by at least 13 percent through 2015 and be no less than 40 percent of the average local wages. Minimum wages under such policies increased by an average 12.6 percent rate between 2008-2012. However, the growth rate of minimum wage levels decreased in 2016, reflecting the Chinese government’s effort to reduce pressure on enterprises resulting from the uneven growth between labor costs and production rates.
I know China has different conditions, developing status, etc., but comparing to their economic rival, around 20 US states didn't make a 13% jump over a full 10 years (most not even increasing beyond the federal rate at all, last changed in 2009).
I'm interested in contributing, mainly in filling in stuff that needs filling in. I'm probably stronger with the visual stuff and layout than like writing the articles. I think one of the questions to ask is what content do we want and how much of each? Do we want more polemics or more political analysis? Do we want to include snippets like poetry or visual art on some pages to break up the content?

>>127
>another thing to consider as far as editorial concerns is how we go about deciding what goes in and doesn't.
Part of it is also how you put it together, you know editor type decisions. How do you fit the pieces together in the PDF or equivalent? Layout is a big part of putting together any kind of book/zine type of thing. Both in terms of order and where stuff goes on the page. Playing with the layout is kind of a trope associated with zines.

>>128
>As for what content to allow and disallow, or which to prioritize, that would depend on the mission and target audiences. And if the audience is the general socialist circles and mission is to raise our own voices, then it can be pretty broad. On the other hand, allowing the edgiest things this site permits might interfere with the mission by building a bad reputation.
Makes the most sense to put our best foot forward. As for audi
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>I think zines are kind of popular in the tabletop community at large, as a way of sharing rules and other content.
Cool, I didn't know that. I've mostly just really seen them in anarchist/punk adjacent scenes (including cyber culture I'm intentionally worming around the word 'cyberpunk')
>In the age of the internet where people regularly share multiple megabyte videos as reaction images it should be really easy and normal to share lightweight texts.
I helped a site out with a casual zine and it ended up being about 10MB, because it was somewhat image-heavy for aesthetic purposes, and with a bit of luck we can now reduce that using newer image formats (reminder that PNG and JPG were made in 1996 and 1992). Worst case, if a site didn't handle PDFs, we just shared with the cover image and a link.
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>>143
Hey if you're really limited on data you can always resort to ASCII art. They got automatic generators for that nowadays.
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>>144
Oh it's not like that, I just mean it's good to avoid having to compress images until noticeable quality loss AND not having to make readers wait for a 30MB download.
For an interesting example of lightweight images, you can look at LOW←TECH MAGAZINE's solar-powered version:
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/
There's also a lot of interesting articles about efficiency.

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A thread for reading groups.

List of groups
Official Nuclear Change reading group
https://matrix.to/#/!BzcaNfbztnAAFsbVzb:matrix.org

Useful resources for reading groups
Anna's Archive - Searches for books within shadow libraries including LibGen, Z-Lib, Sci-Hub, Internet Archive.
https://annas-archive.org/
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>>38
>rapid zionism among American elites and even American Jewish elites wasn't automatic after world war 2
Yeah, I would have assumed at least the 1948 Arab–Israeli War would have kicked up a fuss. It's hard for me to comprehend something as serious as a systematic genocide of millions, in Europe (as I've witnessed with the recent Ukraine conflict, events in Europe simply hold special weight in the rest of the West), didn't even make the US Jews notably vocal.
>>37
>p43 (after footnote 22), p53
It's interesting how promoting a mythology of universal gentile hatred against Jews has in turn fueled real antisemitic excuses. Any imageboard neo-nazi will give you the line about how every country in Europe has persecuted Jews so there must be a reason for it.
That irony is a pattern I think can be generalised, where supremacy ideology (be it racial, religious, or anything, really) just ends up validating its opposition.
Whether intentionally or not, this is the kind of feedback loop modern neo-nazis aim to exploit, agitating for a race war by random acts of violence, then escalating whenever the victim group retaliates, eventually forcing every person to become awoken and pick a side. Unfortunately for them, much of society and more every day is far too heterogeneous to be vulnerable to that kind of dumb racist garbage and will correctly recognize racial supremacy (rather than ethnicity) as the real culprit.
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>>37
The section on Holocaust Museums' omission and downplaying of non-Jewish victims is disturbing, although I'm glad it's in there. It's an especially relevant topic to us.
Contrast with most Holocaust memorial sculptures in Europe, which primarily feature the downward red arrow, Politisch, which also included people who rescued Jews.
Guys why cant i join the matrix ? it says im not a part of the requried rooms/spaces to join the room
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>>85
The rooms were set so someone had to be a member of the Nuclear Change space before joining. I've changed that, now they're public.

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