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>(you mention taboo, and that's also part of it, but not the whole story - Stalin and Mao have mainstream reputations as mass killing autocratic dictators, and Mussolini as a fascist, but Nazism remains the edgy ideology because of its focus on racialism and other bigotry).
Or more importantly, of its focus on jews and the old racial war, elevated to a metaphysical level. Stalin is tolerated because if anyone were to dig deep enough, he would see an Asiatic man surrounded by jews, a good bunch he distrusted, but they got the better part of him in the end. He was the good goy who did the dirty work, cucked his own people (he wasn't ethnically white-Russian and sided with jews, so that makes him a traitor) and abandonned, nay, betrayed the international communist ideal for some more lowkey and old fashioned cultural imperialism. An interesting figure certainly, and one I am certainly bound to dislike very much too.
>However, I also don't think it's fair to completely disconnect these edgelords either, because there are mechanical reasons why neo-Nazism consistently attracts those kinds of people, despite them obviously contradicting the proclaimed values of NS.
The necessary obscurity imposed onto anything nazi related acts as an alluring umbrella for pseudo-social members. It's often very superficial too and done for the kicks. It's the most forbidden thing on Earth, so it's very exciting to pretend being part of this group as if it were a matter of wearing a shirt saying "look yo ima dark superedgy and say all the nastiest shit that's outlawed." Add the mysticism enmeshed with totenkopf-runic virile imagery that rebounds between medieval armor and futuristic Jin-Roh fictional regalia and you've got some addictive crack right there. Good for memes at best today.
>However, there are also blatant contradictions like Oskar Dirlewanger who was able to command within the Waffen-SS.
I guess that his martial efficiency compensated for the unsavory side of his character, assuming anything that's said about him is true. If I were to believe all the nonsense said about Hitler...
>It becomes clear the deeper one digs that fascism in general, but particularly NS, does not mind contradicting itself, as if there's a worldview that there's no reward for being ideologically consistent.
I think you might have over-focused on one case in opposition to the very high standards the SS were required to adhere to, but there's idealized perfection and there's praxis.
>But when we're talking about propaganda inflating numbers, oh you don't know how easy your side has it. The mainstream claim you get charged with is the 6 million jews (regretfully most people forget all the other targets of Nazi extermination).
The jews overshadow the others. I don't have pity for the others though.
I don't take Solzhenitsyn's numbers at face value, I cannot take them seriously. When it comes to Holodomor, knowing the real numbers is a murky affair but a few millions seems safe, with ten being the absolute extreme end of it. I don't think it was less than that, and even hundreds of thousands would already be a lot. The reasons behind it were complicated and probably why the Ukrainians themselves might not have dug into it too much and I read about the cumulative effects, including, with much irony, a scorched earth doctrine used against Soviet Russia. I also read about the relativing of the gulags. One way or another, real and open discussions about these based on facts, on science, will be preferable to any form of hearsay, which is the current yardstick used by jews as far as their chimney tales are concerned.
>is an odd position to take given the Lebensraum philosophy of the NSDAP and the ideological position of the party on the Slavs prior to launching Operation Barbarossa. The party was irredentist and expansionist, and had an openly militaristic attitude towards achieving these goals.
Hitler definitely wanted to avoid the war with Western Europe, and at some point tried avoiding going to fists with Poland. His opinion on Slavs never was very high (see his views of them in Vienna) and their overall failure to stand up against communism was to him a telling sign of weakness. He had more respect for Poland because of the Prussian influence. I don't know if you're aware of it but it's an old claim within our ranks that the Slavs are the niggers of the White race. It's often thrown provocatively and remains overall harsh. Take it as a litmus test to see if you're worthy of being part of the empire or deserve to be kicked out to make room for the better people. Perhaps the Asian invasions had something to do with this and how someone could be more or less appreciative of the Slavs. Last but not least, they proved to be so weak that very little of their pre-Christian faith is known. Meanwhile the inner German commandment was definitely reviving the ancient North European legacy. Go figure, but nature will always agree with might is right, no matter how cruel it is, as we're seeing in the Middle East right now. It does not mean you should not help the weak, but within limits and not making it a habit to the point of being blind about the inferiority of a given group.
>The NSN are literally an autist-grooming group all the way up to their leader, who brags about targeting autistic fifteen year olds for recruitment, and the group has been infiltrated by journalists let alone feds, so yeah it's possible.
Well then you have it.
>See, that's a mindset I just don't get. There are women who don't want children, that's just an obvious fact.
Yes, there are. Even some beautiful ones which is a shame. And for each one of them who fails to have children, then some other woman needs to make more.
>And forcing someone to be a mother when they don't want to raise a child is a perfect recipe for abused kids
I agree. So the whole point of the brainwashing, or propaganda, which can be good, is to make women love and desire motherhood. Not to put a gun against their heads but to nudge them into doing nature's work and popping some kiddies. They and only they can do it. This is their true power. For all its ills, Christianity proved remarkably efficient there. I have seen Catholic families and they're always way more numerous than atheistic ones. The fear of shame and eternal damnation is rather effective. While I don't believe in the latter, I definitely support the former. That and mothers knowing how to feed their children. I hate girls who pride themselves being mediocre at cooking and not even having a single recipe they learned from their grandmothers.
>At its core, the labor movement is about putting control of our economy and society in the hands of the people who actually do the work, rather than an elite group of the highest capital owners.
You can do that to an extent without communism. I believe in hierarchies too, not wishful lateral distribution. Guilds and corporations were fine as they were and perfectly matched the reality of the human nature. The industrial revolutions... it is hard not to have mixed feelings about them, not to see them as corrupted forms of fairer technological progress. The sheer misery they brought on people is impossible to deny. The Third Reich proved you could have the best of both worlds, with fair distribution, a controlled spending for companies, and more for achievers. A Marxist will not accept this, I do. Having rich people is the historical norm, the real issue being poverty, and so called rich countries should have no poverty.
>That should be a pretty easy thing for 90+% of people to agree on - and yet society is so thoroughly propagandized and distracted by culture wars and identity politics and blind liberal idiocy that false consciousness is normal.
I would agree on that but with a little caveat because, you know, nazi. I would not be fighting for the other races. That is where I stand. The other races don't care about us, they wouldn't help us, they'd jump at us if we ever were to show a sign of weakness. They have invaded Europe so many times and always tried to take advantage of us anytime they could, and we, stupidly, meek and weak, we stand there aghast and finding them excuses and giving again. Case in point, the Hindi scams in the US, or the Somali file in Minnesota. So I only work my race, period, and preferably the best of it. The world is about competition, the spoils to the winners. The best we can manage is to minimize conflicts by separating people and trying to maintain diplomatic relations with other nations, but it's near impossible today because of the sheer demographic reality and pressures that derive from these forces. Humongous populations and their industries have such needs for food and minerals that expansion is required. I cannot even care about colonialism even more because resources don't belong to the people living on the lands where they are found, they belong to those who can hold them, and you have even less of an excuse to deny that because you're likely an atheist so you wouldn't believe that some godly figure would intercede and bring justice to someone's foes, like invaders, colonizers.
>But secondly, yeah, the NS worldview is fucked. It's extremely alienating in a variety of different layers, there's no way someone can have those views without being sad or angry.
Yes, in the current world, it is. Based on what we want and strive for, even if you don't agree with us and even hate us, you would certainly see that for each goal we wish to achieve, we always stand one hundred percent on the opposite end of the stack. That's part of the charm of it I guess. Even if what I believe in is wrong, I don't care, I like it, and I want more of it. I don't even expect people to understand us anymore as much as I stopped trying to get into the mind of a leftist, even less a communist.
>The racialist core of NS immediately instructs you to treat billions of people as enemies.
I don't think Germany was into hating the whole world or seeing enemies everywhere. We simply start seeing enemies when our immediate needs, land, food, safety, the basics at the very least, are threatened. The most radical of us are very hot on genocide though. And I can easily see the rationale for this. Look at the United States. It worked. Well sure it's not a perfect example considering what this country has so quickly turned into, but the hard truth remains and prevails. This doesn't mean some collaborative works with foreigners couldn't be considered if strictly controlled, but I would not tolerate any whining about past mistreatment or sour grapes about colonialism, because if we go there then it's back to the stone ages for all these ungrateful people who are very happy to enjoy modern comfort brought by whites into the world. We also were the first to stop slavery as a matter of fact, which seen from the lens of history could be considered an anomaly. Maybe we shouldn't have?
>If you live in the US, that's nearly half the country already.
Yes. And no. But it would be foolish to think that the migrants aren't seeing this from an antagonist perspective. At least, say, a selfish one. They will not feel sorry to come and intrude into some US states where they never were before. And why should they stop really? I do not feel bound by some abstract human values that are relatively new convention in our share history. They're lies, full of hypocrisy. The real rule is competition for resources, always has been, and the more people there are, the worse it gets. Which flips back to the question of necessary genocides, if only to stabilize the world situation. That's a point we may share with global elites and would be fine if they were not so obviously aligned to jewish interests, thus opposed to ours. Jews prop up those nice tales about humanism to make people weak, especially whites, but the other races don't believe in them and certainly not the jews either. Have you seen the latest news when it comes to their smart cruelty, the quadcopters casting sounds of crying babies and wailing women to lure people in isolated places before shooting them? Vicious but cunning.
>WN online forums are constantly aiming to radicalize members by posting news stories about White people suffering, as a result that might comprise a dominant part of the information you learn about the world beyond your local personal experience.
Yes, it's a strategy of in-group preference. It's very effective and once you're in, you rarely can go back. It depletes the suicidal spell that corrupted us.
>When I first saw mlpol, there were threads dedicated to posting White people being assaulted. I just opened a neo-Nazi news website, of the top news stories, almost all are about violence, 'fear', 'anger' or scams. That's not a healthy environment.
It is healthy, but painful. This is like a physical training, violence against ourselves to become stronger. Awareness of these anti-white acts is a necessary phase of awakening, to rend the jewish veil of illusion.
>I just opened a neo-Nazi news website, of the top news stories, almost all are about violence, 'fear', 'anger' or scams.
The very fact that you went there is interesting. You shouldn't.
>That's a bleak filter bubble that over-represents depressing and disturbing news, that teaches one to be fearful or hateful of normal people.
It's but a drop in the sea of reality, against waves upon waves of lies and obfuscation by our enemies. I also do not know what you mean by normal people, but if that is helping you, know that I don't see a point blindly hating people because of their differences, as I can recognize good people in members of the other races and even share a meal with them if necessary but I know there are frontiers not to be crossed.
> Ideologically, we're on the same team as the rest of the proletariat, and that probably includes you.
Definitely not. We will never be on the same team. I don't mind a family owning a company. I don't mind people taking orders as they are employed because not every one is wise enough to lead or even willing to take grave responsibilities. Finally, I enjoy private ownership way too much as a principle, if only that. And for all its hammers and sickles, I find that it's National Socialism that has been protected the workers and the farmers. Communism keeps selling a supposed utopia, National Socialist Germany experienced it for six good years before jews said enough is enough.
>Then add the perspective on gender and sex. The NS worldview encourages men to behave ultra-masculine, which introduces another layer of alienation through masculine emotional suppression. And it encourages objectification of women, so that's alienation from half the population.
Yeah, the propaganda posters were a tad over the top I guess. You should check how German troops enjoyed the pleasures of life in Paris to see the other side of it. Or what Goebbels said about a famous soap ad that had one pastor with a holier than though attitude kvetching about its supposed obscenity. Nobody is asking our people to be stuck ups. You probably paid too much attention to the ripped arms and square jaws and not enough to the message, where virility is about being a good man for your family, your people and your leader. Everything is interconnected. It's not about oiled muscles and beating wives.
>And it encourages objectification of women, so that's alienation from half the population.
If you knew how much fun and pleasure there is to be had in the objectification of the female body. They were literally made to be desired, that's how our little silly brains work. Objectification is as old as the world, so it shall resume at full throttle. Just check how much good time people were having in the sixties if you don't trust me, and dare tell me that their world was bleaker than ours, even if some parts of it were degenerate (again, jewish influence and all that).
One thing I will give you is how those WN/pol websites only focus on the negative, but the news are almost always negative. Most people don't want to keep moisturizing in a pool of constant black bitterness, but most people don't want to be pulled out of their lulling dreams either.
>Finally, add in current neo-Nazi recruitment strategies, focusing on autistic teenagers and old men unhappy with their marriage.
They are terrible and there is no real new nazi group worth its salt. In fact, while the principles are good, the optics are still detrimental to us.
>These people are radicalized by their own bitterness, and spread it to others. It's a toxic echo chamber.
It's also a good way to filter the undesirables. This being said we are painfully aware of our need to reach the broader masses.
>The bottom line is that, an NS ultimately wants to suppress or kill many entire parts of society.
>Socialist?
Not if nationalist.
>Unionist?
Filled with commies and jews so yes. Pointless most of the time, as can be observed since 1945 and even more today.
>Anything but full White?
Countries for whites. Nobody said that there couldn't be some kind of legal flexibility, but whites shall rules whites. Period.
>Non-straight?
It's definitely a disease but as long as they keep it private and don't harm people, and especially don't harm children, that is something we will have to live with.
>Major disability?
Like what? Down syndrome? Yeah, Aktion T4. They're a pain for everyone, themselves included.
>Feminist?
Hypocritical incoherent misandrist retards, so yes, they shall be curtailed until they learn good manners and become useful to society again. The more a woman is into this jewish nonsense, the stupider the things she says, the more embarrassing her behavior, the uglier she becomes. I'm yet to see how women were suffering during the Third Reich's heydays.
>Add those up and that's most of society you are threatening with death.
You have cited minorities that don't even add up to 3% of society when mashed together. Once you remove the multi-billion poisonous jewish propaganda, women will stop being exposed to suicidal advice and natural order will reclaim its rightful throne, and patriarchy with it. But threatened with death? It depends on the gravity of their actions. Fags in the streets? Against the wall, yes. Communist activists? Same wall. Sellout capitalists? That same wall. Refugees Welcome? In the ditch. Or torching by flamethrower, depends on the mood. We would only use camps if we needed cheap labor, we're pragmatic.
>On top of that, most capitalists want nothing to do with Nazis because Nazis are threatening to kill most of their customers, and that's bad for business.
Business were thriving in Germany. But I wouldn't define company owners as capitalists. I do not feel obligated to rely on the strict Marxist lexicon.
Anyway dear ideological foe, I hope you enjoyed this exchange.
