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Meritocracy is a broad term which can mean many things, including chauvinistic garbage, but I want to consider the simple idea of leadership by the qualified, the most suited.

I'd say this idea is a far-off fantasy in representative democracy under capitalism (the current system for most people here). The election is a popularity contest, where the entrants are effectively only those who can raise enough money to fund a statewide campaign and gain media support, and the electors are overwhelmingly under-informed and heavily propagandised. The result is frequently bad leadership, although often the leaders are at least smart enough to climb the political ladder, so at least they might have some kind of experience and understanding of pragmatics.

In stark contrast, there are revolutionary parties. If we look at the most recommended and famous authors in Leninist strains of socialist theory, we see the plentiful works of Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and Mao – all high-level politicians of communist parties. Obviously this isn't common to all communist leaders, but I believe it's more than mere coincidence. People who have written academically-significant books studying society and the state ending up being those elected to work as the highest of statesmen. I assert this is evidence of some kind of positive meritocratic process, whether it's a commendable culture within the party which recognises qualification, or a Darwinian process like under liberal democracy where the less knowledgeable and intelligent are naturally weeded out by their ineffectiveness.

Has this phenomenon carried on past the initial leaders of revolutions? Were any of the post-Stalin USSR leaders noteworthy theoreticians? How about in China or Vietnam? Or is this simply a trait common to revolutionary parties rather than communist revolutionary parties, which might as well include Mussolini (despite their theory evidently being fatally flawed trash, it's theory nonetheless, and certainly more thoughtful than most liberal democracy leaders). Or is it even a matter of revolutionary parties, by rather simply the effect of a less biased party, uncontaminated with the power of bourgeois funding of puppets?
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>>866 (OP) 
>The result [in liberal democratic politics] is frequently bad leadership, although often the leaders are at least smart enough to climb the political ladder, so at least they might have some kind of experience and understanding of pragmatics.

>“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
>To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
>To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
While obviously Douglas Adams is writing casually and it's not a conclusive analysis of all political systems, Adams voices a relatable critique extending well beyond liberal democracy.
One way to avoid this effect is sortition, like jury duty, where a random sample of the population is elected. But if we discount any basic filtering of candidates, this is an exact opposite of a meritocracy.

This reminds me of a short VICE documentary on Cherán, Mexico, where someone interviewed was being elected to the council, and was saying they didn't want the job because they get paid more in their regular job as a professor. It's almost as if they've created a dictatorship of the people, where the [local] governance is truly subject to the popular demands of the population. Democracy without the political parties and campaigns.
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>>866 (OP) 
>Communist leaders as a case study in meritocracy

We must expand this to communist party members, at least the more influential ones, because the leaders become leaders by earning the support of other members. Lenin did not start the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (the Bolshevik faction would be nothing if they hadn't earned support within the RSDLP). Mao did not found the CPC.
Another thread (>>253) talks about Condorcet's jury theorem, which concludes a collective process like democracy is beneficial, but only so far as the typical member is reliably making more good decisions than bad decisions. So, theoretically, a group with smart, informed members left to exercise their own will, would likely collectively choose the most qualified leaders.

This implies a need to exclude particularly uninformed people from participating if a group is to generate the best leaders. This is not easy, and as we all know there's very little consensus on what the best way forward is within socialist schools of thought. One can filter out those who evidently don't support the party line, but this also risks creating an overly-filtered environment where critique is suppressed and harmful ideas go unchallenged.
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