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FIRST OF ALL. You could say im relatively new to the subject of socialism. And yes, despite the Title, i am a socialist too, (also im new to this -chan format in general so plz be nice)


Back to the topic.
I am a socialist from asia, not from china though. And my problem with western "communism" is that they are in many cases aren't really distinguishable from a fascist for the way they think. For example they give absolutely zero fucks about the atrocities committed during the big terror, justifying the post-tsarist soviet crimes in the regions of central asia, because apparently CAsians were actually happy for the soviet ruling because they thought they were to govern themselves finally and not even talking about all the purges, russocentrism and racism and etc that prevailed during those years. 

Or another example is china. While i believe china is socialistic, you can't deny that socialist automatically = good/not capable of evil. They see how they're speaking up about Palestine and praise them for this but at the same time they turn the blind eye once you mention the Uyghur genocide and not even talking about the debt that China drives other 3rd world countries into, and causing massive environmental disasters (like in my place). And yes, I do support this whole Free Tibet thing, because dont you think it sounds as equally dumb as saying that the indigenous population of the US should be grateful to the white men for bringing civilization? "nOoOo BuT tHeY wErE fEuDaL (Tibet)" ok, but don't you think the indigenous people of Americas were evil too? Im not saying that any of them has deserved it, im just pointing to the fact that everyone was evil lol, so saying that "Uhm actually china already freed Tibet lol now go kys" is such a bitch move honestly. Same could be told about Ukraine then i guess, as they usually say: "Slava Ukraine v sostave Rossii hehe nya :3"

Other thing im really pissed off about is that MAJORITY of those left wingers (now, ive heard that left wing and communism arent really the same thing and blah blah blah but for the sake of simplicity, these words, along with the word socialism will be used interchangebly)

ok so MAJORITY of the left wingers especially in the west are super duper obsessed with their genders and their internet personality. It's just that their way of behaviour, speech, and their physical stats are NOT suited for a successful revolution if they really want it, ok even lets say they dont want to do the violent version but peaceful, political revolution, still it's not enough. I highly doubt that anyone would listen to someone who constantly has to mention that they are a "cute lil trans femboy UwU". And i know sounds very controversial, but if you want real change, you need to "man up" in a symbolic sense of course. (Before you assume anything, I AM NOT HOMO/TRANS-PHOBIC, IN FACT I AM GAY TOO.) As i like to say sometimes. even if you're gay, you're still a man lol. 


Honestly what i posted feels more like a rant and it might be true, but as said above, it's my first time, so maybe next time i will post something where im not complaining lol.
OH MY GOD IM SO DUMB I MADE SO MANY MISTAKES IN THIS ONE FUCK MY LIFE
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>>1467
Welcome to the *chan format: we don't bother with 'edit' buttons!
(Don't worry, you're anonymous, a few mistakes don't matter)

That idolization (more than simply support) of Marxist–Leninist states is a real problem, and luckily I mostly see it online rather than in real life. In the West, we get sold a strong propaganda line about these communists being very evil, and I believe many people overcompensate as a result and can be sold the idea that almost all the problems we hear about these countries are lies. And you're not wrong to compare that to the fascist who starts insisting "Nazi Germany was good and didn't even commit atrocities". It's ahistorical idealism.

Where I live, on the ground, most communists by far belong to Trotskyist groups, who are very critical of post-Lenin socialist countries, along with other groups like Stalin-critical M–L, anarchists or non-aligned socialism. And maybe I'm wrong, but from my perspective, this seems like it could be a problem that involves online international propaganda, like from nationalists in China and modern Russia trying to advance their own state interests by building sympathy among disillusioned Westerners.

As for genders and other identity, I think two main factors are at play:
- individualism, with roots in the Enlightenment era in Europe, emphasizes personal identity and freedom. People seek to express themselves in unique ways
- suppresssion around gender/etc. has been a real entry point into socialism. There are many socialists I've met who are trans, more than I'd see in the general population. And again, the ones I've met personally aren't obsessed about gender, but it obviously plays an important role in their life, when they can risk being assaulted just for walking down the street. But again, I've never seen this 'cute UwU' stuff in person at a socialist events.
And there is a real point you raise about the failure of the Western Left to handle masculinity constructively. I recommend this video for a quick overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z38teVWPVSk
It does have some clickbait techniques to bring in their target audience, but there is a real message underneath.

An underlying theme is, that for all the problems I have with many of the socialists I meet in person (particularly young arrogant students), most of the Western Leftist problems are purely online. Get offline. Meet real people. For all their problems, they're infinitely better.

>(Before you assume anything, I AM NOT HOMO/TRANS-PHOBIC, IN FACT I AM GAY TOO.)
I am not assuming anything, but from a purely logical point of view, one can be gay and homophobic. I've even seen non-white white supremacists in my own country... ideas can be strange.
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Thanks for your answer! Honestly yeah i agree, that all this behaviour that i stated is usually online and ESPECIALLY in twitter. I will try to hang out irl with more socialists, You dont even know how much joy it brung me here when i saw a reply to my post hehe, 

And dw im not any -phobic. Peace!
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wait did i reply to you or not? I just dont see the >>1468
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>>1469
Oh, definitely on twitter. I only check a couple of accounts through nitter/xcancel because a few antifascists post updates there.
I'm glad my reply helped, comrade!

>>1470
It's clear enough, but yes, in larger threads it helps to cite the post number like this. Most imageboards do that for you if you click on the post number you want to reply to.
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