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Maybe someday, The Wealthy will finally admit they want "The Poors" all dead, instead of using politics and Mainstream Media to convince us to destroy our lives and health with poor choices.

They only keep us around so they can parasitize us.
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>>1117 (OP) 
>their end goal
Who is 'they'?

Capitalism is an economic system, not a conspiracy. Sure, the haute bourgeoisie (such as the billionaires) and the politicians they fund do plan and conspire in meetings, but ultimately there isn't one big master plan of The Wealthy. Generally speaking, most of them ultimately just want to keep their cushy position in society, leaching from our labor. Any other goals are their personal values, just look at the (relatively) conservative and progressive parties that different mega-rich booj support.
So you're right there, they keep us around to paracitize us. They need to make sure enough of us are fed and housed and educated, or imported, to do their jobs. They're not going to make all that money on their own, it's not competitive and they'll lose their bourgeois class relationship. If any want to 'kill the poor' for the sake of it, that's a niche personal opinion. Most just want to turn us into machines.

I don't believe most have an end goal. Some, like Trump and Musk and Thiel in the USA seem to want their own fiefdoms to dictate over, and they have social political beliefs like Musk's discount neo-nazism, and I'm sure many others are supporting this change, but ultimately I believe many others just want to preserve the cushy status quo as much as they can.

>using politics and Mainstream Media to convince us to destroy our lives and health with poor choices.
I don't see the point in intentionally destroying our health. I see it more as apathy and cost-cutting. They're parasites, they need hosts to feed on. There needs to be the promise of a decent life to motivate us to do their shitty jobs.
Even those in the health&drug industry intentionally poisoning us (see opium pharmaceuticals promoting addiction) are just doing so to make more money rather than intentionally trying to hurt us. Hurting us isn't the goal, it's just a side effect and unless we have the power to hurt their reputation or sue them for enough money, they don't care if we're hurt or killed.
That said, the mainstream media does promote division like racism, sexism, and nearly every other prejudice but classism, which is destroying our lives. But again, apart from those in the bourgeoisie who fell for the trick (it's hard to know how many are sincere), this is promoted to make some of us feel superior to others and see ourselves as privileged, and give us someone to punch down on. Oh, cutting state welfare benefits in the ghetto? Yes please, haha, that's ok because [pick a race] all abuse the syste-- wait, no why are my benefits getting cut now too? Divide and conquer.
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>>1118
Some good points that I don't really have a response to.  I'll remember them. :)

>Most just want to turn us into machines.
If they replace the working class with actual robots (AI, etc.), then they won't need us anymore.  Why risk an uprising when literal machines can do the work?
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>>1119
>If they replace the working class with actual robots (AI, etc.), then they won't need us anymore.  Why risk an uprising when literal machines can do the work?
That's a good point. New tools to make work more efficient (consider the steam-powered machinery, tractors, computers, robots and now AI/etc.) have never really liberated us. If it ends up being financially beneficial to just replace us with robots, the owning class will do just that. We saw that with early automation and we see it again with AI, with some notable cases of idiot bosses sacking workers and having to rehire them all because they bought into AI hype.
This wiki article covers a brief history of this, and how previous technology changes caused unemployment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_unemployment

I don't believe the science-fiction workless fully-automated utopia will exist under capitalism. Robots aren't infallible, they break in unexpected ways, they must be maintained, new ones must be designed and built. And I don't believe we can successfully automate that, especially not without creating a non-human single point of failure. So I do think a working class of people will always be needed despite automation. I know for sure that the phenomenon currently called AI is incapable of doing most types of work, we would need another huge revolutionary leap before that stuff is even conceivable.
But, perhaps you're right, the owning class may reach a point where they think it's worth the investment to try and reduce human labor as much as they can, that future is a real risk, and it would be a real horror if they manage to gradually reduce the proletariat carefully enough to not get got by millions of angry threatened people.

...but on the other hand, a lot of their wealth is dependent on us as consumers. We're the reason they can get rich, not just as workers but as consumers. So therefore I assume they would need to achieve a post-scarce or post-capitalist society before they could consider eliminating their main source of income.
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